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What is your belief about religion?
I used to be a christian.
But then shitty stuff happened. I grew up. Witnessed the world suffering and thought what sort of God would let this happen.
He wasn't testing anyone.
Now I'm agnostic.
I know there is something out there, I'm just yet to figure out what it is.
I think the big bang theory is ludicrous.
If it is true, we may as well lie down and die now. No purpose what so ever.
And its not a FACT. Its a theory.
So some believe it true. And some don't.
Anyhoo.
I'm taking a bit of a vacation of sorts.
I need to clean up my mind.
And have a break from everything.
I may go visit my grandparents. I may just travel down by myself somewhere and stay in a youth hostel. Or I may just stay at home and unclutter my mind.
Anyhoo I'm going to be asking a few of my friends to booth for me.
Don't unfollow me (or do if you want), I'm going to come back better than ever.
People usually unfollow me when they realise I can express other emotions other than FUNNY.
Ruv Y'all x
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brianswers
hi, you have big eyes! :)
I saw this on the live feed and decided to comment.
I've never been religious. I was raised totally secular.
I'm confused by your big bang comment. the big bang has nothing to do with rocks smashing together, in fact it is not any sort of explosion.
Cheers.March 11th, 2010
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Nj
@JoyAndIceCream
My belief on religion has something to do with the question...What came first, the chicken or the egg? Please don’t try and answer that as there’s an answer to your answer haha Bad things have and still are happening to and around me, but to lose faith is only leaving the door to bad things wide open, but I understand what you’re saying and how you feel.
I think we all need a time to get away, time to ourselves or just time to clear our minds. As if we don’t things won’t start over and it won’t do us or the people around us any good. Make the most of your time away/vacation or time to yourself and I’ll still be here when you’re back and ready.
Much love =DMarch 11th, 2010
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peachesandcream
always gorgeous ^_^
i think there is a something. i think the whole idea of having to obey some laws of a God who says you have to love everyone but its okay to stone someone to death for being gay is ridiculous and the whole thing seems a little illogical. the being nice to other folk seems like a good way to go though :)
like my mother says, i like to be spiritual without being religious. kinda. im not really that spiritual either most of the time haha.
hope it all goes well and i shall booth if needed as i said :)
WUV YEWWW <333March 11th, 2010
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Diceman
OMFG AN EMOTION THAT ISN'T FUNNY! UNFOLLOW! :P
I kid. I prefer this.
There is no god, there has never needed to be one and I see how the Big Bang Theory (you know, that highly developed scientific equation that you have NO clue how to understand in its mathamatical form and is the entire BASIS for the fucking arguement) as the closest idea as to what might have happened.
You know WHY I believe it? Because the people who made it are a shitton smarter than both of us. Put together. And multiplied.
Your basis for not believing it is... what? That it SOUNDS stupid?
Could you give any proof to maybe change their minds, because I'm sure they'd love to hear it.
And whats even better? If they ARE wrong, then someone will pick up on this, and better yet, offer another explaination, and make everything fit better.
Or is "god did it" a suitably short and childish answer?
And come visit me. Y'know you want to.March 11th, 2010
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simply_ads
I was an agnostic until I came to the realisation that if there was a god then he might have thought about coming down and maybe just flicking the head off Hitler or Pol Pot. Just saying lol.
And although I feel that the idea of heaven and god is very comforting, I find it much easier to live for today and worry about tomorrow...... well tomorrow.March 12th, 2010
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mrjb3
@joyandicecream sorry to hear about your loss of religion :/ its nice to hear you say your agnostic though. a lot of people are like "im an atheist" when they really dont know what that means!
@diceman @taggart the big bang theory isnt fact... it's theory. nobody can prove what happened thousands/millions of years ago. thats why its called a theory. also, creation is classified as a theory too.
@ everyone..
God didn't come down and "flick Hitler on the head" or fix things because if he did, he wouldn't be giving us the choice and free will he created us to have. if god controlled everything, we'd just be slaves, drones, walking around doing nice things for eachother, living like hippies!
bad things happen because of sin, because people are evil, greedy, twisted, selfish...
NOT because he's testing us. Yeah, some things are a test, but not everything. Most stuff is down to sin.
it hurts god when people do things wrong, but he cant just like... smite everyone for doing things wrong, cos then he'd have to smite everyone!
I'm a christian, im sure you could guess! but i dont want to be seen straight away like people see christians...
non christians judge christians SO quickly its ridiculous. and the arguments of big bang and creation etc really get to me, because nowadays everyone seems to see big bang as fact. but its not! neither is the change of man from ape to man. its not fact. its theory. there are so many gaps and UNBELIEVABLE amounts of assumption and adding in of theories and making up equations to explain these things.
i believe god created the world. by what means, i dont know. i just believe he did it. maybe god used the big bang. but even saying the big bang is true doesnt disprove christianity, and thats what atheists/agnostics need to realise...
just because christians believe in god doesnt mean theyre idiots. some christians are idiots, im not denying that! but there a equally as many idiotic atheists/agnostics/jews/muslims etc.
cheers for reading!March 12th, 2010
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WindPillow
@JoyAndIceCream This is exactly where I am but I do infact believe that the Big Bang Theory is the best thing that we've got right now in terms of existence.
I used to be a Christian but I slowly started drifting away and in the end I've just walked away from the whole thing. I was never happy clappy and even had to be forced to do the whole fake smile going nuts thing at worship.
It's better to just say you follow the flying spaghetti monster these days, at least that gets a laugh from your mates.March 12th, 2010
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Diceman
@Mrjb3 There is no god. There has never needed to be a god and there only exists one due to continued fear of death, loneliness and sad guillibility for folk tales.
You (and I also) CANNOT call the big bang theory wrong unless you can literally find a fault in the equations used to do so!
No one seems to understand that the simple fact that they have no fucking clue about it infact stops them from having a singe call on how real or likely something is.
"it hurts god when people do things wrong, but he cant just like... smite everyone for doing things wrong, cos then he'd have to smite everyone!" *Cough* floodingoftheworld *cough*
Also bare in mind that I realise that you can both believe in Christianity AND TBBT. But I just prefer to leave the fairytales for kids and the science for adults and real things.March 12th, 2010
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Skythanil
I am an atheist and an agnostic. Atheism pertains to what I believe, Agnosticism pertains to what I know.
Technically, everyone is an agnostic, as nobody knows if there is a God/Gods/Soul/Whatever. Religious people who claim to know there is a God are lying to themselves, just like Atheists who claim they know there is no God.
I can't make head nor tails as to whether or not a god exists, however I choose not to believe in one. It's certainty for me. To me, you can't be an agnostic agnostic. That is, you don't know if there is a God, and you don't know if you believe in a God. It's a double negative, so to speak. You *must* believe something. If you believe that there is something out there, then you're not an agnostic in regards to beliefs. An agnostic in regards to beliefs would say that they don't *know* if they believe in something out there.
I'm an agnostic atheist. I don't know, but I don't believe. I see no evidence for any God, let alone the biblical God. The evidential issues are far outweighed by the theological issues of the biblical God, but that's a problem for Christians, not me. Personally, I don't care if the God in the Bible orders people to commit genocide because I don't worship him or try to tell myself that he's all loving.
A note on that, a God cannot be all-loving, all-knowing, and all-powerful at the same time in the world that we live in, without being a dick. If he knows about poverty, and he has the power to stop it, and he loves starving people, then why is there still poverty? The only answer is that he doesn't care.
Oh and, @mrjb3 I don't appreciate the patronising attitude that atheists don't understand what atheism means. It means that you don't believe in a god or gods. That's it. And for the record, Creation is not a theory, it's an idea, or a hypothesis. A theory has got evidence and facts to back it up. Theories are bloody beautiful things. Look up the scientific definition of a theory, then get back to me and tell me that Creation is a theory. The Big Bang Theory explains the fact that the universe is expanding and cooling down. Just like the Theory of Evolution explains the fact of Evolution, or the Theory of Gravity explains the fact of gravity.
I agree with @WindPillow , The Big Bang Theory is a beautiful thing! I am sorry if you feel that you NEED purpose in your life outside of that which you can create yourself. The Big Bang Theory tells us that it wasn't some Almighty being who created the Universe, it was a natural process. I would far rather have the truth than be wilfully ignorant. You could ignore the Big Bang Theory, but it doesn't change the fact that the evidence points towards it, and it is the best explanation we have.
Why do you need a purpose in your life from some incorporeal being? Why can't you create your own purpose? I don't think there's a purpose in life, I don't think I'll be seeing pearly gates after I die. That's wonderful for me! I get this opportunity to live, so I'm going to take it! If I spend all my days alive looking forward to my death, then my life hasn't been worth living. If there isn't an afterlife, or a God, that gives you the onus to give yourself a purpose in life. It requires you to take the responsibility for your life, which can be scary. It is a lot easier to say that it's all in God's hands, however that doesn't make it true.March 12th, 2010
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mrjb3
@diceman
that's you're opinion. if you chose not to believe in a god that's your choice. i wish you did believe in god but i don't hold your beliefs against you. i hope you understand that. so please dont tell me there is no god. THAT is insulting. that is you telling me im wrong and im an idiot. if you chose not to believe thats fine, that's your choice. but dont tell me there is no god. thats YOUR opinion. not a fact.
as for the big bang theory? i've already said. its a theory. not a fact. if it was a fact then there would be no argument, and every newspaper in the world would have front page headlines about the big bang theory being a proven scientific fact. but its not. its a theory.
and yes. god flooded the world. but if you read your bible it says that he promised NEVER to do something like that again, never to rid the world of sin by doing something like the flood again, and THATS why god doesn't interfere today.
dont insult me by telling me my beliefs are fairytales. i never insulted you, i never said you were an idiot believing in fairy tales. if you want to discuss something then discuss it properly rather than resorting to childish arguments and name calling. im not a child and im not an idiot.
@thethinkingphrase
firstly, theres a difference between atheist and agnostic. you cant be both.
secondly, i wasnt being patronising. i was simply saying that its nice to have someone say they're agnostic rather than claiming to be atheist without realising what that actually means, because a LOT of people i've met dont understand the difference. i wasn't saying atheists are idiots and dont know what they're on about, just that my friends have told me they'r atheist, only for us to discuss it and i point out to them they're agnostic, choosing no belief system, rather than claiming there is no god and no higher being or anything.
also, the bible, god, christianity, those are my facts to back up creation.
again, resorting to this attitude problem "go look it up and come back to me"?
i don't chose to be a christian because i "need purpose in your life outside of that which you can create yourself", so again, dont insult me by telling stating why you think people are christian. you dont know me. you dont know why i believe what i believe, and maybe as an "atheist and an agnostic" you cant understand why i believe what i do, but dont try to turn my beliefs in god into something where you're telling people im only a christian because i need something more or im too incapable or "creating my own purpose". thats an extremely immature attitude towards christianity.
dont hate christian just because you dont agree with them. i dont hate you for not believing. i am however, quite annoyed at the patronising attitude you have towards me, my belief and my god. dont insult my beliefs just because you don't share them. you need to learn to show some respect to other people and respect their choices.
you may be living your life, but just because i'm a christian doesn't mean i'm not living mine.March 12th, 2010
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Skythanil
@mrjb3
You can be both an Atheist and an Agnostic. I'm sorry, but you can. You're talking about people not knowing the definition of an Atheist when it appears you do not know either. I'm not going to make a fuss about it. You're wrong. You can be an atheist and an agnostic at the same time. Try looking it up:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic_atheism
The problem with the Bible being used as 'facts' is that they aren't facts. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy, or circular logic. The Bible is true because the Bible says it's true. God exists because the Bible is true and the Bible is true because the Bible says it's true. It doesn't make sense. You can't say that the Bible is a 'fact' whenever the only backing of those 'facts' is the Bible itself.
And, if you can't be bothered looking for yourself, here's a very brief definition of a scientific theory from Wiki-freakin-pedia:
"In the sciences, a scientific theory (also called an empirical theory) comprises a collection of concepts, including abstractions of observable phenomena expressed as quantifiable properties, together with rules (called scientific laws) that express relationships between observations of such concepts. A scientific theory is constructed to conform to available empirical data about such observations, and is put forth as a principle or body of principles for explaining a class of phenomena."
Therefore, a theory explains a law. Evolution, for example, is a theory and a law. The fact that it is recognised as a theory is a great argument FOR Evolution, as it follows a logical deductive path and conforms with Occam's Razor. For something to be considered a theory, it has to pass the peer review process. No theory that the universe was 'created' has ever passed the peer review process, and therefore 'Creation' is not a theory, but merely a hypothesis.
And, I was only referring to you in that one paragraph, the other stuff was directed at other people. @JoyAndIceCream said that if the Big Bang is true, then there is no purpose in life. I was arguing to the contrary. Of course Christians can make their own purposes in life. Those comments were purely directed at Joy and what she said about the Big Bang.
And I don't hate Christians, I never said I hated Christians. Cute little attempt to put words in my mouth though. I don't think I had a patronising attitude. You seemed to misunderstand a lot of the things I said, thinking they were directed at you, which would make me appear to be patronising, but that's not my fault.
I don't feel that I insulted your beliefs, but I would never insult anyone's beliefs because I don't share them. I will challenge your beliefs if they are stupid, or illogical, or have no basis in evidence. If you are unwilling to at least hear me out, then yeah, I'll probably just resort to insulting your beliefs then. However, it's because of your stubbornness and wilful ignorance as opposed to me not sharing your beliefs.
And don't tell me that I don't respect other people and their choices, especially based on one comment I've left that you misunderstood. I will respect your beliefs if you have thought about them thoroughly and can back them up with some form of quantifiable evidence. Otherwise I have no reason to.
Sorry @JoyAndIceCream , I don't want to start a big debate on your photo. I just had to make myself clear.March 12th, 2010
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matrobinson
RIGHTY... I have had a little read through some of this 'debate'... a lot of which i'm going to have to agree with @thethinkingphrase
His point outlining to "Atheism pertains to what I believe, Agnosticism pertains to what I know." Is a wholly relevant and correct statement, anyone who disagrees otherwise is flat out wrong.
Myself i'm a Pastafarian, a follower of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, a faith I think @WindPillow should convert to...March 13th, 2010
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mrjb3
@thethinkingphrase
i wasnt putting words in your mouth, you said yourself that if you had been directing your comments at me specifically you could see why i would be insulted. thats how it seemed and thats how i understood what you were saying. so you cant tell me im putting words in your mouth. what you said could be easily misconstrued as an insult at me.
i have never heard of agnostic atheism. and i wouldnt be using "wiki-freakin-pedia" as my main source for any argument. any idiot can go on there and create a page about anything. it doesnt make it a fact. dont tell me that isnt an insult, telling me "if i bothered looking it up myself". that is an obvious insult.
from the DICTIONARY :
a·the·ism [ey-thee-iz-uhm]
–noun
1.
the doctrine or belief that there is no God.
2.
disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.
ag·nos·tic [ag-nos-tik]
–noun
1.
a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as God, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience.
2.
a person who denies or doubts the possibility of ultimate knowledge in some area of study.
Clearly these are opposing thoughts of belief. one says THERE IS NO GOD, and the other says I DONT BELIEVE IN ANYTHING BECAUSE I DONT KNOW AND I CANT KNOW. Therefore you can be both. I do understand the thought process of what you said but i personally dont believe it can be both. you're saying "i believe there is no god because i dont know if there is a god" when simply that means you are agnostic. you have no belief because you dont accept any religious arguments of the existance of a higher being. saying you're atheist is saying there is no god. do you see what i mean when i wes pointing out about my freinds? they said they didnt believe in any god. thats not atheism. atheism is saying there isnt one, not you dont believe in one.
if you chose to ignore my only doctrine which i believe to be fact i cant have this argument with you. if i chose not to believe the theory of evolution we cant have this discussion. you cant argue two points and compare them if you ignore the evidence backing up the other. i understand you dont believe the bible. and i understand what you explain to be circular logic. but there are arguments for the idea that the world came into existance from nothingness, which is what i believe. and its also what you believe isnt it?
the big bang?
how did that happen?
why was there a big bang?
if the bang happened... what was there before?
how did that thing that banged turn into such a vast and expanding universe?
evolution?
though there is plenty of evidence for adaptive changes in species (microevolution), we do not in recorded history see one species becoming an entirely different, more highly evolved organism. For example, we have no examples in recorded history of a fish becoming an amphibian or even a bacteria evolving into anything other than a bacteria.
The fossil record does not show the gradual changes that Darwin predicted.
ere can be errors in carbon dating and other methods that are used to determine the age of fossils and the Earth itself. No scientific method of dating is exact.
NA and RNA comparisons between similar and dissimilar species at times confirm evolution, but in other circumstances are inconsistent.
I can understand the acceptance of the big bang as the best possible solution, but it doesnt disprove god, it doesnt render my belief system useless! could god have caused the big bang? is that maybe the bit where it says "in the beginning god created the heavens and the earth"? maybe god created the big bang, and in the story of creation, the periods of creation are the periods of change scientists believe the earth experienced in order to come to its current state? i definately believe in the exact proof of micro evolution, where one species can change, over time, into another state of the same animal/being. thats true. survival of the fittest? yea, thats obvious and proven. but there is NO evidence that any species has EVER just changed from one state, from one species into a completely different one."we have no examples in recorded history of a fish becoming an amphibian or even a bacteria evolving into anything other than a bacteria".
i understnad the thought of agnostic atheism, but i believe these to be opposing points of view. is there an agnostic christian page too? cos that doesnt work either!March 13th, 2010
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Diceman
@Matrobinson Pastafarian ftw mate.
@Mrjb3 Ok. I shall do this as simply and with as little insulting as possible.
The Big Bang is a theory for one simple reason. It (as yet) cannot be proven 100%. The reason it is the LEADING theory is because it matches all thats happened so far and people who know a shitton more than both of us put together can't find a problem with it.
I call the things you believe in childish stories for a very simple and obvious reason. They are. They have so many plot holes, flaws, and downright incorrect statements that a child could pick it to pieces.
Lets JUST look at Noah's Ark shall we?
Despite what is now for some reason considered fact, it wasn't two of every animal (which I'm sure you know) led onto the ark, but more. Less of the 'unclean' creatures and more of the clean. I forget how many.
1. How were ALL animals within walking distance, or even cart distance from Noah.
2. How did he fit them all onto a boat. Any boat infact. I don't think we could do that TODAY.
3. I believe it says that God provided the food for the animals. But where did the shit go?
4. How did he keep the fish? You might ask why he'd keep ANY fish considering the world just flooded. Well the fact is that the saltwater fish would survive, sure. But the freshwater fish (and there are a lot) would be fucked. Did he have separate tanks for the fish that would kill other fish/each other? You have any idea how heavy water gets?
5. God left Noah to fuck his own family. Lovely. Now we're inbred. AGAIN.
6. God just massacred the ENTIRE human race bar 6(?) people and what does he do when he realises that was wrong? Gives us a fucking rainbow?! Are you kidding me?! How about uetopia or even maybe giving Eden a try again?! Cheap bastard.
7. He is all knowing and all powerful yet failed to know that this would happen? I call bullshit.
8. Where did all this water that flooded even the highest peak (and that IS high) come from? And where did it go?
9. Surely when he came across ANYONE in the world someone would have said "erm, you aren't my father".
You know why you can't answer any of these? Because the story DOESN'T make sense!
Apologists say "oh... er... its a metaphor." Nope. It's supposed to be fact.
As for your questions on the Big Bang, you ask a good couple of questions; "why was there a big bang? If the bang happened... what was there before?"
You fail to see one thing.
Why was there a God? What made God? God couldn't've done it, because then that gives us the same arguement that the universe could've just started by itself without that just randomly creating one.
You want a fight on Evolution? Mate, I can give you several videos that explain exactly how, why and when evolution comes into play. How about learning some goddamn biology.
For any other questions on why your religion is stupid, please visit this page so we don't spam Joy's anymore.
http://dailybooth.com/Diceman/3309168
And especially read the comic nearer the bottom.March 13th, 2010
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mrjb3
@diceman clearly you're taking this personally. i have learnt some "god damn biology". and again, to call my beliefs childish and fairytalesis an insult to me, my god and my beliefs. you're clearly the one who needs to grow up here and learn to repect other people, @thethinkingphrase at least tried to do that once he understood how his comments could be misconstrued but you show no remorse and thats just childish and insulting. "any more questions on why your religion is stupid"? grow up you big child. resorting this argument to that is not going to help you get anywhere.
the big bang is a theory, and yet, it is the leading theory.
evolution is the concept of the growth of all beings from one source. right? everything came from some goo? where'd that goo come from? how did that single cell split up to create a being? and how did that being eat, and procreate?
if this is as little insulting as possible you can be, then im not going to get into this discussion any more with you because you simply can't discuss it without insulting me and respecting my beliefs, or accepting that the big bang and the theory of evolution cannot be proven.
microevolution can be proven, the change of a species within the boundaries of a species can be proven. cats have become leopards, cheetahs etc. those changes have scientific proof. but NEVER has there ever been any proof that something change between the boundaries of two species. that is a fact and you cannot deny that! i know my biology, and i know the arguments for evolution, i've read a lot about this subject. i dont claim to know it all, because i dont. maybe someone with a phd in evolutionary science could help a little more in this argument. but thats not either of us is it. show me your videos but i doubt they will say anything i havent heard before or present any newly found evidence which can back up the theory even more.
there always was a god, nobody made god. thats what the bible says, thats what i believe. if the a theory needs fact to be proven, the big bang cannot be proven because we cant know what happened before it, what was there or how it happened.
noahs ark?
1. no. some scriptures say god led the animals to noah. other christian theories say that some species would have been able to reach a high point, perhaps led by god, or survival instinct. all we know is that the only humans who survived were noahs family. its obvious that birds could perhaps have survived on their own, as could all fish, amphibians etc. it would have been mammals that would have made the most of the ark.
2.Noah was given instructions about how he was to build a big boat--450 feet long, 75 feet wide, and 45 feet high. (Gen. 6:14-16). I am told that its dimensions were similar to today's oil tankers, making it practically impossible to overturn even in the worst storm at sea. Noah was told that the Ark would save a male and female pair of every kind of "unclean" animal and 7 each (or 7 pairs) of every "clean" animal. (Gen. 6:18-19).
3. overboard. thats where id put it!
4. the bible doesnt say anything about the fish, i would presume that fresh water fish died off, or perhaps there were pockets of fresh water at higher levels where some of these fish survived, but thats just a theory. the bible doesn't mention the fish so i cant answer that.
5. the people who would have been left would have been cousins yes, but even today that is not illegal, frowned upon by society yeah, but not illegal.
6. the rainbow wasn't a gift to say sorry i killed everyone. it was when god promised never to do such things again. the human race would be left to deal with this sort of sinful world by itself, and god would not interfere in such a way again. as for utopia or eden again? god had already banished the human race from eden. and the way he left them was with their free will. which is what he said he would not interfere with again. to create utopia god would have to remove that free will by removing sin, as humans are inheritantly and naturally sinful. would you rather we were all like robots living in gods perfect world where he controls us without our own knowledge or choice?
7. it doesn't say in the bible that god didn't know this would happen. maybe he did, he just dreaded the day when he would have to do this. he also knew he would have to send his own son to die on earth. it says that in the old testament.
8. i would assume god created it, since he could do that (from a christian perspective) perhaps it was a flood that shifted around the earth in a sort of tidal wave based on solar/lunar activity? thats just a theory. basically god did it cos he could.
9.i dont understand what you mean by this.March 13th, 2010
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Elmoo
evolution is a theroy and we have taken it on as it is so far the best way to understand.
if another theroy for example comes along and proves better and can be backed up by evidence scientist/people would cast aside the theroy evolution and go with the new theory. Though the theroy of evolution has a lot of evidence backed up over the years and can be proven with factual information such as us humans and the animal kingdom
Disclaimer. this is my opinion you can feel free to disagree and i wont argue and be like people on youtube :DMarch 13th, 2010
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Taggart
@mrjb3 the big bang theory is the ONLY credible theory that allows for the existence of a god.
and it is as near to fact as anything can be.
evolution is a science based, evidence based, logical series of events.
my personal opinion is that evolution is fact and that the world was not magically created in 6 days by some mystical being known as "God".
but that's my opinion.
you are very welcome to yours! but just cause it's your opinion doesn't make it the only possibility.
the world would be dull if everyone believed the same thing, but it also might be a lot better.March 13th, 2010
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mrjb3
@taggart im not arguing with other people having an opinion. they're welcome to their own opinions too! some of my best friends at university were atheist, agnostic, wiccan, jewish, muslim, christian, everything. but you cant have the opinion that the theory of evolution and the big bang theory are fact. you might believe they are the most credible theory, but they aren't fact. if they had more evidence they'd be nearer to fact. and theres still a lot more evidence to be found before they can be claimed as fact... a lot! but then that's into the whole micro/macro evolution we were talking about before.
the big bang theory is the only credible theory that allows for the existence of god? i dont really get what you mean? that the only way christians can explain creation is the big bang? oh and the 6 days thing, thats a whole other argument! even christians argue about that one! some people take it literally in english as 6 days, others say its a metaphor, others know the origins of the language..!
whats your religious standing though? because as the others said, theyre atheist and/or agnostic.March 13th, 2010
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Taggart
@mrjb3 i'm nothing right now, don't really want to label myself.
the big bang theory is the only scientific theory that allows for or infact requires the interferance from an outside force, to begin the reaction if you know what i mean, the big bang theory simply states that a long long long long time ago, something happened to start a series of events which resulted in the existence of earth, whether god is involved in that is for everyone to make their own decisions about.
i believe that that is what happened, and i also believe that evolution is fact because in my mind there is no way anyone could deny the evidence that exists and is still happening all around us.
as for the metaphor thing, i don't really get that, i mean if you are going to let that part of the bible not be literally true but be a metaphor so it makes more sense then surely you could do that with every single part of the bible? surely genesis is no different from any other book of the bible? by saying 6 days is a metaphor or that gods days are longer than what we consider days today, you may aswell be saying that jesus didn't actually die for us on a cross, that was just a metaphor for something else.
but thats taking it to the extremes i guess. believe me matt, i know alot about the bible and god and after a long time, i've made my own decisions.March 14th, 2010
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holadilli
Well I am a pretty dedicated Christian. I am actually choosing to look at a lot of Christian colleges.
However, I believe that a lot of christians look at the bible very literally, so I don't really believe the world was created "3000" years ago or Noah sailed the ark for "40 days".
That could mean 3000000000000000 years in god-time or 40000000 days.
God never developed a sense of time. People did.
As far as big bang theory and evolution, I believe they are a combined. God created the world, and then evolution followed.
But that does not mean everything in the bible is a metaphor. Just time.
I often question my faith, but there must be a reason why we are all on the earth today and why so many people are Christians.
I love god and I love being a christian.March 14th, 2010
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